Venus - At L(e)ast ... Disclosure By Microbiology? (1 Viewer)

[Sinera]

We had this especially with Mars in recent years although the 'scientific' mainstream is still not convinced that at least microbes thrive on other planets or moons in our solar system.

Now in the news Venus is a literally 'hot' candidate for a final or first disclosure by microbiology.

Phosphine is a gas that is maybe proof of 'alien' microbes on the hellish hot surface of Venus.

Phosphine gas in the cloud decks of Venus - Nature Astronomy

The detection of ~20 ppb of phosphine in Venus clouds by observations in the millimetre-wavelength range from JCMT and ALMA is puzzling, because according to our knowledge of Venus, no phosphine should be there. As the most plausible formation paths do not work, the source could be unknown...

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From the video description:

The announcement of the detection of a possible biomarker in the atmosphere of Venus has shook up the field of astrobiology and grabbed headlines across the world. Today, we explore why Venus could plausibly host life, how this detection was made, and whether it really means that we've finally found extraterrestrial life.

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Paper announcing the detection:: ► Greaves, J. et al. (2020), "Phosphine gas in the cloud decks of Venus", Nature Astronomy: https://doi.org/10.1038/s41550-020-11...

Other references used::
► Sousa-Silva. C. et al. (2019), "Phosphine as a Biosignature Gas in Exoplanet Atmosphere", Astrobiology, 20, 235: https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.05224
► Way, M. et al. (2016), "Was Venus the First Habitable World of our Solar System?", Geophysical Research Letters, 43, 8376: https://arxiv.org/abs/1608.00706
► Moses, J. et al. (2005), "Photochemistry and diffusion in Jupiter's stratosphere: Constraints from ISO observations and comparisons with other giant planets", J. Geophys. Res., 110, E08001: https://doi.org/doi:10.1029/2005JE002411

Let's not forget that for the mainstream 'believers'/'followers' this could at least lead to a 'kind of' disclosure by 'scientific' acceptance of 'alien' life forms. And in the aftermath could 'finally' lead to more acceptance, even in some 'official scientific' circles. So this is still good news - even if relatively boring for our ilk round here on Transients.


Some impressions from the early Soviet missions from that surface. I really still would prefer to be on a sunbathing summer vacation somewhere else:

Venera - Wikipedia

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Observations and explorations of Venus - Wikipedia

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[Angela]

I don't get why it's so hard to believe they're are microbes or... Lifeforms like that on other planets.

Years ago, my husband and I watched the planet earth series that went over pretty well how in even the most extreme places on earth, there is life. Other planets never seemed that much different to me in what "extreme" could mean, so I was surprised when I found the scientific community so hesitant to consider it.

But it would be cool, as you say, to see more acceptance to even the sentence "there is life on other planets". Get it in our mass consciousness. Make it more acceptable.

 

[Lila]

I am looking forward to a time when astrobiologist is a reasonably common job title

 

[Lila]

I don't get why it's so hard to believe they're are microbes or... Lifeforms like that on other planets.

Seems to me that this speaks more about the mindset involved in such conclusions than about the actual possibilities of life elsewhere.

 

[therium]

I don't get why it's so hard to believe they're are microbes or... Lifeforms like that on other planets.

After observing things like methodologies over many years, and after reading "Forbidden Archaeology" by Michael Cremo, I came to the conclusion (or working theory) that it's very common for "mainstream science" to be very close-minded. "Forbidden Archaeology" really drives the point home though.

Mainstream science doesn't always use logic and routinely throws out possible conclusions that don't match a given accepted viewpoint. That is, scientists have to, in order to publish papers, because publishing (in a journal owned by someone else) is what drives their career. However to compensate for closed minds, there have been a few journals which have been created which are more open to publishing ideas as long as the evidence logically supports the idea.

So my idea is: do not use emotions or narratives to determine a theory, use evidence and logic, even if the theory makes society uncomfortable.

 

[Pucksterguy]

My thinking of this is simply they choose (publicly) to deny that any life exists outside of earth. If they admit microbes exist then sentient life must exist too. This does not fit their narrative and their own contact with some alien races.

I am looking forward to a time when astrobiologist is a reasonably common job title

It prob is outside of earth and in many alien cultures. If we can have this kind of variety of life here, imagine what's out there. Sentient or otherwise.

 

[Tania]

After observing things like methodologies over many years, and after reading "Forbidden Archaeology" by Michael Cremo, I came to the conclusion (or working theory) that it's very common for "mainstream science" to be very close-minded. "Forbidden Archaeology" really drives the point home though.

Mainstream science doesn't always use logic and routinely throws out possible conclusions that don't match a given accepted viewpoint. That is, scientists have to, in order to publish papers, because publishing (in a journal owned by someone else) is what drives their career. However to compensate for closed minds, there have been a few journals which have been created which are more open to publishing ideas as long as the evidence logically supports the idea.

So my idea is: do not use emotions or narratives to determine a theory, use evidence and logic, even if the theory makes society uncomfortable.

Unless it is a theory of emotions after all even logic can be such a fad