Researching vaccines: Where do we start (1 Viewer)

[Golmona]

To vaccinate or not to vaccinate?

This can be a very challenging question to answer for (new) parents (to be) and researching this polarising topic can be very daunting. This article on where to start when researching vaccines is really helpful to get you on your way: https://thinklovehealthy.com/2016/11/02/researching-vaccines-where-to-start/

Here is a list of resources as a result of my vaccine research so far. I will continue to update this as my research continues.

Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?
http://omsj.org/reports/tomljenovic 2011.pdf

Hepatitis B Vaccination of Male Neonates and Autism Diagnosis, NHIS 1997-2002
http://www.hisunim.org.il/images/documents/scientific_literature/Gallagher_Goodman_HepB_2010.pdf

A Positive Association found between Autism Prevalence and Childhood Vaccination uptake across the U.S. Population
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15287394.2011.573736

B-Lymphocytes from a Population of Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder and Their Unaffected Siblings Exhibit Hypersensitivity to Thimerosal
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2013/801517/

Metabolic biomarkers of increased oxidative stress and impaired methylation capacity in children with autism
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/80/6/1611.full

Toxic metals and oxidative stress part I: mechanisms involved in metal-induced oxidative damage
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11895129

Blood Levels of Mercury Are Related to Diagnosis of Autism: A Reanalysis of an Important Data Set
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mary_Desoto/publication/5840031_Blood_Levels_of_Mercury_Are_Related_to_Diagnosis_of_Autism_A_Reanalysis_of_an_Important_Data_Set/links/5410731f0cf2df04e75d5cce.pdf

Thimerosal Neurotoxicity is Associated with Glutathione Depletion: Protection with Glutathione Precursors
http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/6.8.pdf

Scientific Evidence Suggests The Vaccine-Autism Link Can No Longer Be Ignored
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/09/12/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines-can-cause-autism/

Toxic Metals and Oxidative Stress Part I: Mechanisms Involved in Me-tal induced Oxidative Damage
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hande_Gurer-Orhan/publication/11468643_Toxic_Metals_and_Oxidative_Stress_Part_I_Mechanisms_Involved_in_Me-tal_induced_Oxidative_Damage/links/09e4150b52822e7cb7000000/Toxic-Metals-and-Oxidative-Stress-Part-I-Mechanisms-Involved-in-Me-tal-induced-Oxidative-Damage.pdf

Vaccines Did Not Save Us: 2 Centuries of Official Statistics
https://childhealthsafety.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/vaccines-did-not-save-us-e28093-2-centuries-of-official-statistics.pdf

Can Infanrix hexa kill babies?
http://vaccinechoicecanada.com/in-the-news/can-infanrix-hexa-kill-babies/

Safety of the Infanrix Hexa Vaccine: Confidential Document from GSK to the Authorities
http://vaccinechoicecanada.com/wp-content/uploads/Initiative-Citoyenne-Press-Release-Infanrix-Hexa-6-12-12.pdf

Biological Clinical Safety and Pharmacovigilance GlaxoSmithKline Research and Development
http://ddata.over-blog.com/3/27/09/71/2012-2013/confid.pdf

Vaccination, The Hidden Truth
http://www.agreenroadjournal.com/2012/05/dr-viera-scheibner-phd-vaccination.html

Green Vaccine Alternative: What Are They & Where To Get Them
http://www.healthnutnews.com/find-green-vaccines-big-pharma-doesnt-want-know/

Doctors and Scientists explain why vaccines aren’t safe
http://www.healthnutnews.com/doctors-and-scientists-explain-why-vaccines-arent-safe/

Vaccine Quackery Bombshell: Key studies cited to ‘prove’ vaccines are safe were funded almost entirely by vaccine manufacturers
http://prepareforchange.net/2016/08/09/vaccine-quackery-bombshell-key-studies-cited-to-prove-vaccines-are-safe-were-funded-almost-entirely-by-vaccine-manufacturers/

New Study Warns of the Dangers of Multiple Vaccinations
https://vactruth.com/2016/09/08/dangers-of-multiple-vaccinations/

Three Reasons Why I Don’t Vaccinate My Children
http://thepeopleschemist.com/reasons-dont-vaccinate-children-vaccine-supporters-shouldnt-give/

Vaccines news, articles and information
http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccines.html

Dr Mercola: Vaccine Articles
http://vaccines.mercola.com/

Suspected side effects to the quadrivalent human papilloma vaccine
http://www.danmedj.dk/portal/page/portal/danmedj.dk/dmj_forside/PAST_ISSUE/2015/DMJ_2015_04/A5064

Attacking Ourselves: Top Doctors Reveal Vaccines Turn Our Immune System Against Us
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/attacking-ourselves-top-doctors-reveal-vaccines-turn-our-immune-system-against-us

The Real Vaccine Story
http://truedisclosure.com/news/the-real-vaccine-story.html

Medical Doctors Concerned We Are Giving America’s Children Too Many Vaccines Too Soon
http://jennifermargulis.net/blog/2016/12/medical-doctors-concerned-we-are-giving-americas-children-too-many-vaccines-too-soon/#comment-567622

81 Studies Linking Vaccines to Autism
http://ithacachiropractic.com/81-studies-linking-vaccines-to-autism/

To Vaccinate, or Not to Vaccinate – “The Most Important Decision Parents Will Ever Make”
http://returntonow.net/2016/03/31/the-most-important-decision-parents-will-ever-make/

Yale University Study Shows Association Between Vaccines and Brain Disorders
http://circleofdocs.com/yale-university-study-shows-association-between-vaccines-and-brain-disorders/

Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

New Studies Reveal Vaccine Harm
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/06/06/vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-populations.aspx

Unvaccinated Children Pose ZERO Risk to Anyone
http://healthimpactnews.com/2017/harvard-immunologist-to-legislators-unvaccinated-children-pose-zero-risk-to-anyone/

 

[Stargazer]

A very helpful and enlightening post, Golmona...thank you!

Hmmmm. Now that I think of it, isn't our very best "vaccination" the certain knowing that we're Loved and Perfectly Beautiful Beings? If we could all instill that kind of attitude in our kids and our society reflected that too, I bet we could get rid of any kind of illness or disease!

 

[Linda]

I have a few friends who have decided against the vaccination route for their children. One of the most interesting aspects of childhood illnesses is that they produce antibodies that end up being helpful throughout our lives.

This is a subject that is near and dear to me because of the effects I've seen on children around me. Some are Ok, and others are not. It is a complicated issue, especially in the US, because of requirements of public schools and some doctors, not to mention some places taking draconian measures to inoculate an entire population.

There was a long thread on another board about this, and it includes the experiences of one of our members. Pooja Naidu may recall that post. It might be helpful to find and include some of the info here.

 

[Solnarehyah]

Here is the link for the vaccine thread I started. It was more about intuition for me than research but my husband needed more proof than my feelings so I used some of these and a lot of help from soul. Hope it helps.
https://www.transients.info/roundtable/threads/vaccines.377/#post-7806

 

[Linda]

Here is the link for the vaccine thread I started.

This thread started before we had a parenting board, in case anyone is wondering.

It also addresses an important aspect of everyone not being on the same page about the effects of vaccines. I continue to be surprised at the number of intelligent people who know nothing about them.

Pooja Naidu, do you have an update on how things are going for you all?

I look forward to the article.

 

[Laron]

I do think that intuition plays a very large role when it comes to vaccinations.

Hmmmm. Now that I think of it, isn't our very best "vaccination" the certain knowing that we're Loved and Perfectly Beautiful Beings? If we could all instill that kind of attitude in our kids and our society reflected that too, I bet we could get rid of any kind of illness or disease!

In terms of the spiritual angle, one of the most important aspects of being a parent is protecting your child, as children are yet to understand and grasp some of the deeper realities of life, and are also not ready to at early ages. This twelve minute talk bellow by Sadhguru feels spot on to me in terms of that understanding. What you say reminded me of his talk.

Here is the link for the vaccine thread I started. It was more about intuition for me than research but my husband needed more proof than my feelings so I used some of these and a lot of help from soul. Hope it helps.
https://www.transients.info/roundtable/threads/vaccines.377/#post-7806

I was thinking that perhaps your thread should be moved over to this board Pooja, but then the topic is also equally valid on the board you originally posted it on. The long term goal here is to have some very helpful information, and possible references, to pin to the top of the boards about such topics as this, and these discussions can help a great deal with achieving that!

 

[Golmona]

I do think that intuition plays a very large role when it comes to vaccinations.

Absolutely! In our case I intuitively knew that I did not want our child to be vaccinated. My husband on the other hand was interested in scientific proof (similar to Pooja's case). Our midwife said this is very common: mum's follow their intuition, where dads look for facts. Both come from a place of love though.

Also when discussing your decision with friends and family, I find it's easier to back up your intuition with a line of reasoning they can follow and understand. Having done your homework in terms of research really helps and people are more inclined to consider what you're saying more seriously.

Great talk by Sadhguru btw, I love his sense of humor
What he said reminds me of Kahil Gibran's piece on children

 

[Golmona]

It also addresses an important aspect of everyone not being on the same page about the effects of vaccines. I continue to be surprised at the number of intelligent people who know nothing about them.

Pooja's thread came around the same time I was immersed in vaccine research and I was glad for it to be mentioned on the forum. I shared my findings with her in her post.

I think it's a very difficult issue for new parents nowadays who don't take the status quo for granted and question things because of the general lack of understanding and support but as well as the layers of fear that one needs to dig through. But unfortunately like you said this is not as big of a group as one would expect. Many just don't think about it and if they do and start talking to their family and friends they soon give up thinking the majority knows best. There are still many around who have lost a family member to one of the diseases and although vaccines don't have anything to do with the decline in epidemics or survival from diseases, this faulty point of view has been thoroughly accepted by the masses.

 

[Solnarehyah]

I do think that intuition plays a very large role when it comes to vaccinations.


In terms of the spiritual angle, one of the most important aspects of being a parent is protecting your child, as children are yet to understand and grasp some of the deeper realities of life, and are also not ready to at early ages. This twelve minute talk bellow by Sadhguru feels spot on to me in terms of that understanding. What you say reminded me of his talk.



I was thinking that perhaps your thread should be moved over to this board Pooja, but then the topic is also equally valid on the board you originally posted it on. The long term goal here is to have some very helpful information, and possible references, to pin to the top of the boards about such topics as this, and these discussions can help a great deal with achieving that!

Thanks for sharing Laron. That was just perfect, exactly what I needed. It's a lot harder to do even when you understand the concept and to understand that concept is in itself an awakening experience.

I feel this board fits the thread better as any parent is more likely to research vaccine under parenting. There could be other scenarios where someone is researching from the survey point of view. Either way I feel this would be a better choice. I am cool with whatever though.

 

[Solnarehyah]

This thread started before wead a parenting board, in case anyone is wondering.

It also addresses an important aspect of everyone not being on the same page about the effects of vaccines. I continue to be surprised at the number of intelligent people who know nothing about them.

Pooja Naidu, do you have an update on how things are going for you all?

I look forward to the article.

Thank-you for asking Linda. My husband not wholeheartedly but with reservations agreed to go with it. We had to switch doctors and go through more questioning. The school makes an exception on ethical grounds. We would see a homeopath sometime to take this a step further. In the meantime, I try to treat minor stuff naturally. The doctor did ask me "Do you think it's okay for people to die because of lack of treatment" and I said Yes, I do. She seemed puzzled and after that did not bother with more questions. I only said it in the knowledge that we all choose the experiences we have.
I am really grateful it worked out this way for us. Hopefully some change will occur soon enough

 

[mamapaige]

I have just found this recently available docu-series. You can sign up to receive free viewing for a limited time. I have not watched the series yet, but it looks informative.

http://www.vaccinesrevealed.com/?inf_contact_key=9eff8fe8dd83d9c5dadd4999239ba3301ff312a5b4380fe5ed41d3e69fe44679

 

[Snowmelt]

My heart is strengthened by the resolve of all you young ones feeling out this issue through intuition and intellect. There's nothing wrong with the concept of vaccines, but it is the knowledge that they are a tool of the parasites, and are tampered with in their creation by the dumbed down scientific slaves, and then marketed to the gormless masses. When my child was of that age, we just vaccinated and went about our day feeling she was protected. Hopefully back then, additives were less intrusive and destructive than what is placed in them today.

But nevertheless, when considering the implications of this, one must consider the potential to lose a beloved child to disease if their immune systems cannot kick it. And that leads me to think that detachment in this case of death of children is maybe the hardest spiritual lesson there is to learn.

This story of Buddha, given in the Osho Neo-Tarot pack, card # 30 Death/That Which Never Dies may help to see this in perspective.

"Bring your attention to looking inside yourself to that which never dies. You are now ready to let go of what has died or gone. Forget about trying to bring it back, and don't take it personally that it has gone.

Buddha's miracles are totally different from those of Jesus. A woman goes to Buddha: her child is dead and she is crying and weeping, and she is a widow and she will never have another child, and the only child is dead, and that was all her love and all her attention....

But what did Buddha do? Buddha smiled, and said to her, "You go into the town and just find a few mustard seeds from a house where nobody has ever died."

And the woman rushed into the town, and she went to each house. And wherever she went, they said, "We can give you as many mustard seeds as you want, but the condition will not be fulfilled - because so many people have died in our house." Again and again it happened.

But she hoped, "Maybe... who knows? There may be some house somewhere that has not known death." And she went around and around the whole day. By the evening a great understanding dawned on her: "Death is a part of life. It happens. It is not something personal, it is not a personal calamity that has happened to me." With that understanding she went to Buddha.

He asked, "Where are the mustard seeds?"

And she smiled and she fell at his feet and she said, "Initiate me. I would like to know that which never dies. I don't ask for my child back, because even if he is given to me, he will die again. Teach me something so that I can know inside myself that which never dies."

(Excerpt on Tarot card taken from Osho's book, The Wisdom of the Sands, Vol. 1, pp. 103-10

 

[Laron]

Great post HM ^!

I ran into some interesting information this morning on vaccinations while putting together the latest edition of Unraveled.

CDC Knowingly Lied About Mercury In Vaccines: Proof Has Surfaced
Finally it’s coming to light and the fact is being told: Vaccines given to infants contained inordinate amounts of ethylmercury in the form of Thimerosal; the CDC knew about it and conspired to keep the devastating reality of mercury damage from healthcare consumers and public health agencies. A true crime against humanity and nothing short of federal agency child abuse!

Thanks to the intrepid vaccine safety advocacy work by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his writing partner Lyn Redwood, RN, MSN, we learn,

FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) was responsible for adding up the cumulative exposure to mercury from infant vaccines, a simple calculation that, astonishingly, had never been performed by either the FDA or the CDC. When the agency finally performed that basic calculation, the regulators realized that a six month-old infant who received thimerosal-preserved vaccines following the recommended CDC vaccine schedule would have received a jaw dropping 187.5 micrograms of mercury. [1] [CJF emphasis added]
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/01/27/cdc-knowingly-lied-mercury-vaccines-proof-surfaced/
​

and

To Vaccinate or Not to Vaccinate? – No Longer the Question
Breaking News: a Polish colleague, renowned naturopath Jerzy Zieba, just sent through a complete game-changer piece of information on exactly the subject I am endeavoring to write about. This is it “Judges at the German Federal Supreme Court have confirmed that the measles virus does not exist and that the measles vaccination may have been injected into millions of unsuspecting German citizens for sinister reasons.” This really is a bombshell, because although many vaccine sceptics have, for many years, expressed grave doubts about the veracity of vaccination programmes, this is the first time a High Court has ruled on the issue.
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/01/30/vaccinate-not-vaccinate-no-longer-question/​

 

[Linda]

This is interesting info and thanks to everyone for sharing. This news is indeed a bombshell because quite a bit of anecdotal evidence links a change in a child's behavior with the MMR vaccine.

“Judges at the German Federal Supreme Court have confirmed that the measles virus does not exist and that the measles vaccination may have been injected into millions of unsuspecting German citizens for sinister reasons.”

The vaccine debacle also extends into the animal world. Our pets are subjected to the same additives and are placed on yearly regimes, which are unnecessary. Although I've not seen any research on the subject, I along with many others, believe the vaccines may be linked with the high rate of cancer in many breeds.

 

[Golmona]

Breaking News: a Polish colleague, renowned naturopath Jerzy Zieba, just sent through a complete game-changer piece of information on exactly the subject I am endeavoring to write about. This is it “Judges at the German Federal Supreme Court have confirmed that the measles virus does not exist and that the measles vaccination may have been injected into millions of unsuspecting German citizens for sinister reasons.” This really is a bombshell, because although many vaccine sceptics have, for many years, expressed grave doubts about the veracity of vaccination programmes, this is the first time a High Court has ruled on the issue.

This is huge! It's all crumbling down. A silver lining to Trump being elected it's his decision to have Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to head a "vaccine safety and scientific integrity” commission.

I updated the original post in this thread with a list of resources based on my research on vaccines. Please keep posting your findings in this thread so that we can collect it all in one place.

 

[Carl]

Interesting Golmona! We keep waking up, is it?

 

[Golmona]

Interesting Golmona! We keep waking up, is it?

Come to think of it there have been other momentous events in the vaccine history, which could/should have been a catalyst for a strong anti-vaccine movement but weren't.

For example, A 1271-page GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) Dec 2011 ‘Summary Bridging Report’ was discovered by the Belgian watchdog group, Initiative Citoyenne. You can find this report here: http://ddata.over-blog.com/3/27/09/71/2012-2013/confid.pdf
This strictly confidential document, intended only for health authorities, reveals high numbers of infant/child deaths shortly after injection of Infanrix hexa (the 6-in-1 DTaP –HB – IPV – Hib vaccine). It also indicates MANY serious adverse events, many more than listed in the vaccine package inserts, which we picked up from our Dr's office. Initiative Citoyenne summarised and discussed this report in a Dec 2012 press release, which you can find here: http://vaccinechoicecanada.com/wp-c...yenne-Press-Release-Infanrix-Hexa-6-12-12.pdf

We only came across this report last year so I fully expected to find a lawsuit or something connected to this report... but we didn't. Apparently it was pushed under the rug.

Also, there have been cases of lawsuits won by parents whose children had a vaccine injury in Germany, Italy and Denmark as far as I know. But this didn't effect the infant/childhood vaccine schedule in those countries.

So perhaps my earlier enthusiastic reflection was a bit premature But at the same time, I do believe that more parents question vaccine safety nowadays... Apparently Trump is one of those parents

 

[Carl]

I have been wondering what they really put in vaccines for years Golmona. I remember an incident in my late teens after getting a flu shot that started me thinking about it. I always preferred taking a shot of medications if available (still do) so when a flu epidemic came to Peru I went to an uncle that is a doctor to give me a shot. Well, a couple of minutes later I started to pass out. My uncle realizing what was happening immediately put me upside down in an special chair until the effect passed. Needless to say I haven't taken another flu shot since due to that negative reaction.

 

[Laron]

In June, 2017, I had to have a medical, including mandatory vaccinations to get my green card visa in the US.

That was seven months ago.

A few days after getting the MMR vaccine, a rash began to form on my upper arm, very close to where the injection was. I have been documenting it with photos ever since, as it hasn't gone away. It's since spread to the side of my chest and stomach — the same side of the body I had the MMR. Also, I had a bad fever overnight, around the time the spots/rash came up.

I have done things to combat it. (no self healing though). I've had two GP's look at it in the US. They couldn't identify it.

For about 3 months near the end of 2017, I was on an organic diet, eating very healthy food (meat and dairy free). It didn't go away during that period.

A highly qualified naturopath doctor (very well known) here in New Zealand saw me about six weeks back and I finished his course of treatment a few weeks back. I didn't notice much of a change during that time. A few days ago it started to spread further and is starting to itch. Up until then, I have had no itching or any other symptoms. I suspect this upcoming full moon and eclipse are activating it again.

I'm not worried at all though. It makes me very curious and helps me relate to others, including children, who may have had experiences like this.

I just bring this up because I'm very careful around vaccinations. If I had the choice, I would not have had the MMR. I had a really strong feeling about it not being good for me, and wasn't surprised with the outcome.

I have done a lot of research to try and identify it. I think it resembles pityriasis rosea, a viral rash that is meant to only last 6-12 weeks. (not 7 months) "Influenza viruses and vaccines have triggered pityriasis rosea in some cases." (Source)

 

[Carl]

Wondering if the vaccine was contaminated -believe I read something about it years ago. I'm a little bias since in my youth a flu vaccine affected me in a negative way and I almost lost consciousness scaring the practitioner -that on top of that was my own uncle.
I was put upside down until the dizziness went away. Haven't had a flu vaccine since but probably hundreds of shots for other reasons but so far no negative effect like that flu shot.
Did you check with an skin specialist Laron?

 

[Laron]

Did you check with an skin specialist Laron?

No. It's not really something I can afford at the moment.

 

[Linda]

My person recommends cilantro tea for removing toxins and metals from your body. We talked about this in relation to dogs and vaccines, but it works for people, too. I boil about 4 cups of water, drop in several stalks, and let it steep until the water is cool.

 

[Linda]

I used this tea with one of our older dogs who kept getting tumors on his stomach. They just went away.

 

[Laron]

If I had the choice, I would not have had the MMR.

I just realised I wrote that wrong, originally it said I would have had the MMR... when I meant I would not have had.

 

[Golmona]

As my research continues my resolve not to vaccinate my child(ren) strengthens.

I would like to share the last article I've read regarding the subject matter as it is quite fascinating. In this article a Harvard immunologist has written an open letter to legislators explaining why unvaccinated children pose no risk to their vaccinated counterparts.

Even though the author is not against vaccines in general, I still find the letter extremely well-written and full of important information.

I have added the link to the list of sources in my original post but you can find it here as well: http://healthimpactnews.com/2017/harvard-immunologist-to-legislators-unvaccinated-children-pose-zero-risk-to-anyone/

 

[Linda]

Thanks, Golmona for the link to this article. Everyone needs to read it because it is a factual description of what has become emotionally infused issues.

 

[Snowmelt]

At the moment, the Australian government is mandating aged care homes/nursing homes to offer Flu vaccinations to the carers/volunteers/staff. I have received my offer at my aged care home. At the moment, you can't lose your job (even unpaid one) because of deciding not to have it, but I wonder if it will be pushed that far. Of course, being careful about going to work with sniffles, cold or flu is uppermost in your mind when you work at an aged care facility.

 

[Toller]

This is my own experience from some of the vaccinations which I have received.

Smallpox - this is the one which gives you incredible lower back pain, especially when it is released and cleared, it's amazing how much I had to clear from my ancestral DNA as well, I remember my father telling me that he had multiple smallpox jabs - because they they wouldn't take.

BCG - shortly after had my first migraine, never had one before, I was at school at the time and wondered what the hell was going on.

Influenza - was ill with very flu-like symptoms for a couple of days afterwards.

Tetanus - booster given to me by GP's nurse before I had realised what was going on. My head was elsewhere for at least a week afterwards, and my health went down rapidly for a year or so, until I managed to get a grip on things again.

I believe that there is more to modern vaccinations than just what a scientific analysis will state. With what I understand about homeopathy and radionics, it's quite possible to insert almost anything into a vaccination and it will never show up materially.

 

[Linda]

When asked if I got my flu vaccine - I say "thanks, I've got it all taken care of". Unless it is someone who wants to have a conversation about it, I find it best to fly under the radar.

Step into the wayback machine - when I was a little girl, I remember our whole family, along with many others, going the nearby high school and each getting a sugar cube with a drop of the polio vaccine on it. I know we did more than once. It sticks in my memory because I found it amazing that my Dad took some medicine. (He was invincible in my eyes.) Just now, I looked up the time line of polio vaccine and found that in 1955, massive polio vaccine trials began. That's right, thousands of people served as test subjects.

 

[Snowmelt]

It's new to me about the trials. We also had the vaccine (in early 1960's).